The quote I chose is on page 41 section 19a. It started the line above 19a and goes all the way down to the end of the paragraph.
The reason why I chose this is because its talks about how this started, and also he says he has a short amount of time to sway their minds. He lays down what he will do and that he WILL follow the law. Showing that Socrates shows respect for the law and that he doesn't disregard it. This is why is would be good information for the defence, because he said that he will follow the laws for his defence.
Tuesday, May 15, 2007
Monday, May 14, 2007
Athenian Values
Here are what I think the Athenian values are.
Tradition
Honoring ancestors
Courage/"manliness"
Being Kind to other people
freedom
equal rights
Equal rights and freedom, would be great points. For the defense, the reason being that Socrates was expressing his equal rights and freedom. Being able to teach the youth is in his freedom. He has the right to teach the youth just as much as any other person. Equal rights, an Athenian value, they are being hypocritical, lets let everybody teach except Socrates. Also, we wont let him be free and accuse him of heresy. So, these points would be great for the defense to point out the weakness in their argument if they bring these up anyway.
Goodbye
Tradition
Honoring ancestors
Courage/"manliness"
Being Kind to other people
freedom
equal rights
Equal rights and freedom, would be great points. For the defense, the reason being that Socrates was expressing his equal rights and freedom. Being able to teach the youth is in his freedom. He has the right to teach the youth just as much as any other person. Equal rights, an Athenian value, they are being hypocritical, lets let everybody teach except Socrates. Also, we wont let him be free and accuse him of heresy. So, these points would be great for the defense to point out the weakness in their argument if they bring these up anyway.
Goodbye
Tuesday, April 24, 2007
Burning Flag
After working long and hard on this, my stupid computer froze up and exited. So this will be a shortened version, but still good.
I read about flag burning and if it was freedom of speech or not. There were points saying it was, but also saying it wasn't. So, this is a good topic. A resolution to this could be, if burning flags expresses your feelings, and freedom of speech says that you can express your feeling, also if the U.S. Supreme Court states that burning flags is freedom speech, if the government says it should be banned, wouldn't they be contradicting themselves.
The reason why this is important is because it talks about your right. Changing freedom of speech can change our daily lives so much, not being able to do or say certain things would change everything for the worse. When you are told not to do something, you really want to do it, you feel like you have to do it. This small change could affect more than one thing in our society too, while (if there is a change) changing this, the government might want to change something else that can affect the society.
Two Points For Flag Burning is Speech:
The U.S. Supreme Court said, flag burning is freedom of speech, therefor protected.
The next, is that, freedom is what founded this county, taking even the smallest bit of our freedom could change everything. "I am offended when I see the flag burned or treated disrespectfully. "As offencive and painful this is, I still believe that those dissenting voice need to be heard. This country is unique n special because the minority, the unpopular, the dissenters and the downtrodden, also have a voice and are allowed to be heard in whatever way they choose to express themselves that does not harm others."
Two Points Flag Burning is Bad:
Burning the flag is an isult to our country, it discraces where we live.
Another, is that "Speech is when you talk." not burning flags. Since burning a flag is not talking, then it dosent apply to freedom of speech.
I read about flag burning and if it was freedom of speech or not. There were points saying it was, but also saying it wasn't. So, this is a good topic. A resolution to this could be, if burning flags expresses your feelings, and freedom of speech says that you can express your feeling, also if the U.S. Supreme Court states that burning flags is freedom speech, if the government says it should be banned, wouldn't they be contradicting themselves.
The reason why this is important is because it talks about your right. Changing freedom of speech can change our daily lives so much, not being able to do or say certain things would change everything for the worse. When you are told not to do something, you really want to do it, you feel like you have to do it. This small change could affect more than one thing in our society too, while (if there is a change) changing this, the government might want to change something else that can affect the society.
Two Points For Flag Burning is Speech:
The U.S. Supreme Court said, flag burning is freedom of speech, therefor protected.
The next, is that, freedom is what founded this county, taking even the smallest bit of our freedom could change everything. "I am offended when I see the flag burned or treated disrespectfully. "As offencive and painful this is, I still believe that those dissenting voice need to be heard. This country is unique n special because the minority, the unpopular, the dissenters and the downtrodden, also have a voice and are allowed to be heard in whatever way they choose to express themselves that does not harm others."
Two Points Flag Burning is Bad:
Burning the flag is an isult to our country, it discraces where we live.
Another, is that "Speech is when you talk." not burning flags. Since burning a flag is not talking, then it dosent apply to freedom of speech.
Tuesday, April 17, 2007
Plato's Republic
2. What is your reaction to the ending of the section? What is good and/or bad about the type of society outlined by Socrates?
When I finished reading this section, I thought about what life would be like without plays and poems, art in general. I came to the conclusion that is would be terrible, being able to express feeling, having emotions people need that. If there was no art, poems, plays the world would be boring, there would be nothing to make a person unique. Nobody would be able to express how they really felt. I, personally wouldn't see any good of Socrates society, it would be boring and dull. If Socrates was trying to achieve perfect society, this would not be it, this would be the opposite. Nobody would be interesting, nobody would be different.
When I finished reading this section, I thought about what life would be like without plays and poems, art in general. I came to the conclusion that is would be terrible, being able to express feeling, having emotions people need that. If there was no art, poems, plays the world would be boring, there would be nothing to make a person unique. Nobody would be able to express how they really felt. I, personally wouldn't see any good of Socrates society, it would be boring and dull. If Socrates was trying to achieve perfect society, this would not be it, this would be the opposite. Nobody would be interesting, nobody would be different.
Tuesday, March 27, 2007
Homer Assignment
Like what we talked about in class, Homer talks about the gods killing and fighting. But, the gods are good, and good things don’t fight, so it makes the gods image bad and teaches children about fighting. Also, Achilles, especially Achilles because he was the Geeks hero, he was the greatest fighter, but, as we read he refused to fight, he refused to fight for his honor. But, that could have been taken as selfishness, or being a coward, Homer was censored to not teach the children any of the bad qualities.
The reason why some parts of poetry should be banned is because the Guardians would become “god-fearing”. That would be bad, because the Guardians would grow up being afraid of the gods, the upper-beings that control everything. Also Plato (Socrates) says that Homer should stop making the after-life seem so gloomy, because then the Guardians would become afraid of death, instead valiantly charging into battle, not afraid of death, even hoping to die.
Poetry should teach not that gods are evil, but good. They should not “persuade our young men that the gods are the source of evil, and that heroes are no better than ordinary mortals.” That is what is taught in the poetry, that the gods are evil and the heroes are great, when the gods are good and the heroes are no different that normal people.
I would agree with that because, the gods are always portrayed as terrible beings that do bad things and act like humans. When really, they are greater and better than humans, the gods should have nothing to do with humans or doing anything that has to do with humans. I think, like Plato, the gods should not be explained as bad, or evil, or like humans, they should be described as perfect beings that are 100% good.
The reason why some parts of poetry should be banned is because the Guardians would become “god-fearing”. That would be bad, because the Guardians would grow up being afraid of the gods, the upper-beings that control everything. Also Plato (Socrates) says that Homer should stop making the after-life seem so gloomy, because then the Guardians would become afraid of death, instead valiantly charging into battle, not afraid of death, even hoping to die.
Poetry should teach not that gods are evil, but good. They should not “persuade our young men that the gods are the source of evil, and that heroes are no better than ordinary mortals.” That is what is taught in the poetry, that the gods are evil and the heroes are great, when the gods are good and the heroes are no different that normal people.
I would agree with that because, the gods are always portrayed as terrible beings that do bad things and act like humans. When really, they are greater and better than humans, the gods should have nothing to do with humans or doing anything that has to do with humans. I think, like Plato, the gods should not be explained as bad, or evil, or like humans, they should be described as perfect beings that are 100% good.
Homer Assignment
Like what we talked about in class, Homer talks about the gods killing and fighting. But, the gods are good, and good things don’t fight, so it makes the gods image bad and teaches children about fighting. Also, Achilles, especially Achilles because he was the Geeks hero, he was the greatest fighter, but, as we read he refused to fight, he refused to fight for his honor. But, that could have been taken as selfishness, or being a coward, Homer was censored to not teach the children any of the bad qualities.
The reason why some parts of poetry should be banned is because the Guardians would become “god-fearing”. That would be bad, because the Guardians would grow up being afraid of the gods, the upper-beings that control everything. Also Plato (Socrates) says that Homer should stop making the after-life seem so gloomy, because then the Guardians would become afraid of death, instead valiantly charging into battle, not afraid of death, even hoping to die.
Poetry should teach not that gods are evil, but good. They should not “persuade our young men that the gods are the source of evil, and that heroes are no better than ordinary mortals.” That is what is taught in the poetry, that the gods are evil and the heroes are great, when the gods are good and the heroes are no different that normal people.
I would agree with that because, the gods are always portrayed as terrible beings that do bad things and act like humans. When really, they are greater and better than humans, the gods should have nothing to do with humans or doing anything that has to do with humans. I think, like Plato, the gods should not be explained as bad, or evil, or like humans, they should be described as perfect beings that are 100% good.
The reason why some parts of poetry should be banned is because the Guardians would become “god-fearing”. That would be bad, because the Guardians would grow up being afraid of the gods, the upper-beings that control everything. Also Plato (Socrates) says that Homer should stop making the after-life seem so gloomy, because then the Guardians would become afraid of death, instead valiantly charging into battle, not afraid of death, even hoping to die.
Poetry should teach not that gods are evil, but good. They should not “persuade our young men that the gods are the source of evil, and that heroes are no better than ordinary mortals.” That is what is taught in the poetry, that the gods are evil and the heroes are great, when the gods are good and the heroes are no different that normal people.
I would agree with that because, the gods are always portrayed as terrible beings that do bad things and act like humans. When really, they are greater and better than humans, the gods should have nothing to do with humans or doing anything that has to do with humans. I think, like Plato, the gods should not be explained as bad, or evil, or like humans, they should be described as perfect beings that are 100% good.
Monday, March 26, 2007
Republic Assignment
A reason why somebody might want to censor Hesiod is because of what he wrote. I know that Socrates did not believe in the god’s, I am guessing the Plato didn’t either. That is one reason; another is because he is putting ideas in people’s heads that could change everyday lifestyle. People would be less concerned about what they did, because they thought that the gods might help or protect them. The God’s would be an excuse to relax, not do work, and just wait for the God’s to do something for them. Plato might have thought that people would become lazy and wanting thing to happen to them, instead of actually working towards something. That is why I think Hesiod might be censored.
Homer and Hesiod are guilty of making stories that create bad images. In most of the stories, somebody is banished from the heavens; also as I said they create something inside a person. The bad ideas portrayed in the books sparks wickedness, it brings the idea of hurting somebody. But, Socrates wanted the guardians to be good all around. He did not want them to have the ideas of hurting involved. Home and Hesiod are guilty of creating bad images in a persons mind. Fighting.
The first one mentioned was they Gods are good. They should be portrayed as good then, and not evil. The second one is that God is “is a kind of magician who can appear at will in different forms at different times...” God is a magician, he can do whatever he/she wants whenever he/she wants (I am saying he/she because nobody knows….). The laws of storytelling are, always make the God/Gods do something good, not have the banish somebody or harm people, the stories have to tell the good of the gods. The next, is that the Gods should be able to do whatever they want, they should not be limited by anything.
I was way off, what I said was that the people would become lazy, what Plato said, was that the reason why are because they are lies, and they say bad things about gods. When you think of a god, you think of an omnificent being, perfect, mainly good. The stories the Homer and Hesiod tell, say bad things, they say things that give the gods a bad image.
Homer and Hesiod are guilty of making stories that create bad images. In most of the stories, somebody is banished from the heavens; also as I said they create something inside a person. The bad ideas portrayed in the books sparks wickedness, it brings the idea of hurting somebody. But, Socrates wanted the guardians to be good all around. He did not want them to have the ideas of hurting involved. Home and Hesiod are guilty of creating bad images in a persons mind. Fighting.
The first one mentioned was they Gods are good. They should be portrayed as good then, and not evil. The second one is that God is “is a kind of magician who can appear at will in different forms at different times...” God is a magician, he can do whatever he/she wants whenever he/she wants (I am saying he/she because nobody knows….). The laws of storytelling are, always make the God/Gods do something good, not have the banish somebody or harm people, the stories have to tell the good of the gods. The next, is that the Gods should be able to do whatever they want, they should not be limited by anything.
I was way off, what I said was that the people would become lazy, what Plato said, was that the reason why are because they are lies, and they say bad things about gods. When you think of a god, you think of an omnificent being, perfect, mainly good. The stories the Homer and Hesiod tell, say bad things, they say things that give the gods a bad image.
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